I always get a laugh out of people who post thier outrageous ideas here" Uh, where'd the idea come from that dagobah wasn't charted? Luke hops in the X-Wing and tells Artoo that they're not going to the rendezvous point, that their going to the Dagobah system, and when Artoo asks if he'd like him to pilot for a while indicating Dagobah was indeed charted since Artoo was gonna fly them there that he'd prefer to keep it on manual for a while.
Dagobah's not uncharted There's millions of planets out there, Dagobah's one of them, just not one lots of people visit. As for Dagobah being Naboo Note in the dark side cave there's some sort of man-made structure there, like ruins you can see a concrete support as Luke enters and just before he sees Vader.
However, not having any proof, we can't say that for sure. It's also interesting to note that in the EU novel Vector Prime there is a star map of the galaxy and both Naboo and Dagobah are shown on it.
Not that that means much. Jedah Whack'a'Jedi. I'm not picking up any cities or technology. Massive life-form readings, though. There's something alive down there My guess is Yoda moved to Dagobah to avoid the Jedi purge. When the twins were born, Ben took them to be trained by Yoda but he refused. Why would Yoda refuse to train the twins? Perhaps Ben disobeyed Yoda and was too angry with him. Maybe they didn't want to draw attention to themselves by throwing all this force power around.
Or maybe Yoda just gave up? I think that would be unlikely though. They had to make the same decision Anakin did, but only for the cause of good. Ben remained on Tatooine hoping that Luke would seek him out so that they could one day stop Vader.
Sending Leia to Alderran was to be the backup plan. Tell me if you think this is valid or not. Not neccessarily, maybe all the life forms of higher intelligence were wiped out by an imperial army. Maybe Storm Troopers raided the planet and killed everyone Then left the planet for some reason to focus on another problem or planet There is evidence which suggests Dagobah is Naboo, and there is evidence which suggests it may not be Naboo It is a perfectly reasonable speculation, so please, stop condoning the act of throwing away ideas.
Problem with your "Naboo is Alderaan" theory is that the planet Alderaan is mentioned in ep1. Dagobah is a planet with no civilization or any evidence of civilization "ruins" , a warm climate in at least one spot, a swamp, and a bunch of snakes. Earth is a planet with a relatively advanced civilzation, a warm climate in several areas that I know of, numerous swamps, and plenty of snakes.
So far as I know, negative evidence doesn't constitute much of a proof Nesha but don't stop speculating There is the fairly obvious fact that in the brief period between Episode II and Episode V, a swamp of that size could not have magically appeared. Idea that have some merit, OK, ones that are completely groundless, no. Because while he was still unaware of Force Premonitions, they had been actively occuring in his subconscious.
Because it is easy to assume that there is some Imperial Centre-type planet not completely necessary, but fairly certain , that's why the planet appears in the non-canon material. If you show a knife in Act 1, you should use in by act 3. Naboo is in the Prologue and the end of Act one Act one really starts on Tatooine No, Naboo isn't the knife. Tatooine is. The place Vader and Luke grew up. It is their story. Naboo is nothing compared to Tat. Yes, it works mythologically And, obviously change orbit to become extremely cold.
Anythings possible, including those things you listed Jar-Jar is just as important as Naboo. Where is the "knife" Jar-Jar in episode VI? Then why is Vader referred to as the Dark Lord of the Sith? Cockroaches and Scorpions, actually but are you saying that the thing that tried to eat Artoo is Naboo's version of a Cockroach?
They must grow 'em big in the Star Wars universe. Umm, Dagobah is swarming with creatures. Including large ones, and larger creature don't usually survive catastrophies like the one that you describe that changed Naboo from a fertile planet with a rich culture, to an abandoned over-grown swamp in the two decades between EpII and Ep V. Tastes like corn to me.
I want proof that Han isn't really Jar-Jar's mind in a cloned human body. In twenty years, and with a new body and some speech lessons he could have gotten over the stupid way he talks. Prove I'm wrong. Remember the dog has three legs. Making the Death Star a far less extreme weapon.
What's the point of that, just make it a desolate ball, it'll be inhabitable again in a few years, and you can use it. This doesn't push your theory forward, it's just a pointless guess. While Yoda's living on it?
And this happens why? I thought that this would have occured when the Empire was destroying the planet, not later. And, really, do you think that that sort of Geological disaster can just happen, and the plants and animals will thrive? The Emperor doesn't. Why the name change?
Some major faults. The idea is not impossible, but is incrediblely stupid and unlikely. What a stupid phrase. Yes, but they are holes. Naboo isn't yet. That and the story of Annikin. Obviously Chancellor Valorium is Mon Mothma with a sex change and a change of job. I have as much proof that he is, that you do that he isn't. Nobody can prove me wrong. If you make massive leaps in logic.
There you go again, treading on speculation. Sure, you have your "Proof" that Alderaan isn't Naboo because "Bail Antilles from Alderaan" is mentioned, but who's to say that Alderaan isn't a sector in space near Naboo, and that when the Jedi's are begin wiped out that the Alderaan Sector isn't expanded to include Naboo, which they make the sector's capitol, but as a political statement rename Alderaan?
But based upon what? There was nothing in the film or novelization I looked for it and didn't find it to refer to a technologically based trace Which leaves us with Sidious' line about no one can get outside of the range of the Sith Remember, according to the Jedi a trace wouldn't work unless the message was responded too As there was no response, there could have been no technologically based trace from the message.
What's that leave us with? A tracking device? That would have been mentioned, but it wouldn't have been something that the TF would even have thought about, let alone put on the Queen's ship. We're left with Holme's rule, Whatever's left, no matter how improbable, must be the truth. Well for one thing, if the force was used you'd think they'd say something about how it was seen through the force, or had a vision, and not referred to as a trace, which sounds too technological to me.
Wasn't it implied in the novelization that there might have been a response? I'm pretty sure there was. Oh, fuck it - too early to get that deep I recently learned that it was mentioned in TPM, so I agree it has no place as a likely possibility.
I don't think it's likely or unlikely It's simply a possibility. During wars, alot of places are renamed and changed. Why is it most likely that George Lucas abandon and not mention an important planet like Naboo? It would make no sense to bring it into the picture for the first trilogy and then not even mention it in the original trilogy I don't buy this "oh, he just decided not to add it in because he didn't feel like it" logic.
There has to be a reason why it's completely and totally excluded from the original trilogy. I think you have your mentality backwards How about this for a thought. I remember reading in one of the books the theory that Yoda was hiding on Dagobah because of the cave where Luke fought himself.
This area was allegedly strong in the dark side due to a sith lord being killed in that spot. It supposedly helped him hide from Vader and the Emperor. Luke may have felt that Dagobah was familiar because his budding force senses detect the disturbance caused by this area and he was unable to distinguish that force sense deja vu from a more normal familiarity sense. It's no more or less valid than any of the other wild speculations I've read. Personally though, I detest giving extra meaning to a planet as much as I detest that there are midi's.
Just to go off on a tangent: Why does everything have to have a meaning or a connection to another? Can't they just "be"? I remember the speculation that Han Solo was "the other" Yoda spoke of because he sliced the Taun Taun with Luke's lightsabre. Of course, now we know that was totally not true. It just bugs me whenever I hear the next revelation about who is related to who. Shmi is related to Anakin who created 3P0 who befriends R2 who meets Yoda who trained Qui-Gon who taught Obi Wan who taught Luke who had a crush on Leia who loved Han Solo who was hunted by Boba Fett who was in the service of Jabba the Hutt who sponsored the pod race that was won by Anakin who marries Amidala who defeated the Viceroy who was under commands by Sideous who is really Palpatine who converts Anakin who becomes Vader The destruction of a planet before the construction of the Death Star would ruin Episode 4.
And move further away from the sun they orbit? That really happen often in wars Why does he need to mention it again. It does for the simple reason that it has fulfilled it's role in the trilogy It's job is done. Adding a "oh, and Naboo lived happily ever after" is pointless.
That something is that he hadn't thought of Naboo. Get over it. I realise that, but I think the opposite order to yours is the most likely to happen. I don't see how a planet being destroyed before the construction of the deathstar ruins episode 4.
There are plenty of ways a planet can be destroyed in sci-fi besides a laser. Yes I watched the film, but I didn't notice it at all.
It was recently brought to my attention. Ulike some people in here I don't have every film memorized backwards, TPM was my least favorite film, and I've only seen it about 6 times.
Whatever, we've gone through this before, I've argued with the highest of skeptics about this, and we always come to the realization that there is pretty much equal evidence for and aganst this. Well, first of all If you are going by CDroms, and things which show the galaxy, then we are wandering here. I am going ONLY by the movies There are alot of reasons a planet could get colder, or hotter, or change climates in sci-fi.
Sure, maybe it is put out of orbit, who knows, it's a possibility. Well, next time you hear of a war between planets Because I've never heard of one irl, let alone one which sends a planet out of orbit. I meant renamed to a planet we are familiar with in the original trilogy.
I personaly believe it is more likely that it is either destroyed somehow, changes names, or at least SOMETHING happens to it, which is why it is never even mentioned in the original trilogy, rather then just George Lucas abandoning such an important planet for no particular reason. If it's still around in similar condition as in TPM by the original trilogy, the least he could have done was add in a mention of it, or a shot of it at the end of ROTJ I believe it is possible that he abandoned it, but it just seems unilikely.
Because it's an important planet, an area the audience is familiar with, obviously the audience would think The least George could have done is shown us that Naboo is doing ok as well.
And it was in episode 1, and it will be in episode 2 and it will likely be in episode 3. So lets think about this: 2 main supporting characters homeworld, one film was completely consumed with the storyline of the welfare of this planet TPM , it will definitely be in episode 2, and possibly in episode Thats highly odd.
It is important to the audience to know what happened to this planet. They mention all these other planets in the original trilogy, even planets that are not even shown, why not a quick line about naboo?
Why did George Lucas decide to make Naboo, Naboo? Why not have simply made it Alderaan for TPM? At least then it would have tied in the two trilogys. But this "oh well, now we're onto another story, lets forget about Naboo it never was important in the first place" theory sounds highly unlikely. I mean, whats a person going to think looking back at the other films? Who the hell cares about the trading problems of Naboo if it's not important enough to even show at the end of ROTJ?
No it isn't pointless. Whats pointless about explaining to the viewer that a planet we are suppossed to care about wound up well off? It seems careless to expect us to care about this planet, and then later act like it doesn't even exist and like it's not important enough to even mention. I don't understand this "role" you are talking about? It seems extremely out of Lucas character to just forget a planet he deems "important" at one time or another. He showed cloud city, endor, Tatooine, and courescant all highly populated important planets at the end of ROTJ.
I don't understand why adding in a "oh, and Naboo lived happily ever after" is pointless, and yet an "oh, and cloud City lived happily ever after" somehow has a point.
Oh yeah right, it's so like George Lucas after 20 years of writing this story to simply forget about an important planet like Naboo. If it isn't important then why does Naboo dominate TPM? The first episode in a Star Wars film? Why bring it back for episode 2? Why are we supposed to care about this planet in TPM? Or is it just a weird portion of the script with no real meaning? I have wondered this as well, I think SWL is probably right.
If he actually went there or something along those lines in a comic, it would feel more than just familiar I think. I've always taken the line to be him sensing the Force being strong on that planet.
And also perhaps he could've been sensing Obi-Wan's spirit watching him. It is likely that the force had shown him the place to seek training, whether in his dreams or thoughts. I'd always thought of it like Darth. M FcThumbs-Up What is it that you people don't understand??? That's what we all said M FcThumbs-Up Don't you see the smilies Man, people read that shit and it's been typed over for a couple of times, just in other words That's what I meant!
I'm just making fun No offense buddy! M FcThumbs-Up Originally posted by bilb We all give the same sorta explanation, kinda looks like most of us agree on the subject! Sadako of Girth Interesting I hadn't considered that interpretation before Ctsketch..
I feel like I don't know YODA: Feel like what? LUKE: looking at the creature Like we're being watched! Why does Luke find it familiar on Dagobah? Is it because he senses Yoda's presence?
Is it because he's been there before? Before the PT came out I thought Luke would be brought to Dagobah for a short period of time, but that's not the case. Anakin's Daddy , Jan 13, Registered: Sep 13, Good question. I think it may be because he feels Yoda's presence then, but he can't put a finger on what that feeling really is. And he may have felt that same feeling before when he was still on Tatooine and Yoda was watching him through the Force.
EHT , Jan 13, Yoda said that he had been watching Luke for a long time. Perhaps Luke was sensing that feeling again. I think we answered this question already! Registered: Aug 4, Registered: Jul 28, I like to think everything in Star Wars is like something out of a dream. StampidHDpro , Jan 13, Registered: Apr 26,
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